On this episode, Octavius talks with the educational leader, community organizer, illustrious violinist, and University of Penn administrator Jack Drummond. They sit down to discuss Jack’s understanding of what it means to be a melanin-enriched man, his love for Black music, and how it feels to be a light of life. The two unpack the ​​black male metamorphosis, the cycle of water and how it correlates to the embodiment of Black men, and how we brothas need to communicate more.